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Hi,

I am involved in a European research project concerning renovation. Really how to optimize the renovation process using BIM. Main focus is the "Million Programme", which means larger buildings with lot of apartments.

Renovation of apartments means one need to document someone's living room. In Europe we have to address GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation, for those of you from other part of the globe).

Scanning is a big part of the documentation. So it would be interesting to hear about your experience regarding personal integrity. For this kind of environment, not a public street. Whether in Europe or elsewhere (I presume there are similar national regulations elsewhere). What to scan or not?Storage of data? Written agreement? etc.

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I scan everything and don't bother with blurring faces as long as the client doesn't ask this.

The data i produce goes to my client or stays indoors. It doesn't get placed on a webserver, only transferring through filesharing.

I keep everything forever because of my 10 year liability and for later use as my grand database.

I could make a document for my client to sign but what do you do with people and cars passing by?

I personally think that in this age where everyone takes pics and planes them on facebook without you knowing the scanning business shouldn't be regulated more. The one thing i would say is that interiors of houses where the location is to be found is a no go online.

I problalbly get flamed for this but we have to deal with so much hassle, i could blur everyone but who is gonna pay for it...
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This is how film producers get around it.
Just print something like that, and attach it to the scanner :)
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You could also refer to your countries laws as far as general photography goes.
I know in Australia, from recent experience when I had someone threaten to sue me, that taking photographs in a public place when the photographs are for non commercial applications is OK :) That is, if the photos of a person are for documentation and not for profitable publication, you are fine.
But, If you used the photos of a person from your scanner in a beer advertisement, without a model release form, you could be successfully sued.

EDIT...refer to MajorDomo previous post .we must have both been typing at the same time...Thanks !

I have also worked on projects where wall charts, signs, posters etc have been covered over prior to scanning.
One option would be to mention to your client that any sensitive material be removed or covered up.

I think it is pretty fascinating from a legal point of view,
Who actually owns the point cloud ? (I can hear groaning from the forum)
Can car/plane/boat builders etc claim breach of copyright because you have effectively duplicated their designs ?

I have a collection of NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreements) in my top drawer,
Has anyone else dealt with this ?
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mike annear wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:59 am
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But, If you used the photos of a person from your scanner in a beer advertisement, without a model release form, you could be successfully sued.

The chance that this person knows or remembers who was scanning (taking the pics) is nearly zero. Probably this person is with all his stuff on facebook and instagram anyway :D
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There was an in-depth article in March 2018 in the "Géomètre" magazine about this precise subject. Of course it only concerns french law, and you would have to read french, but still pretty interesting.

http://www.geometre-lemag.fr/magazines?y=2018

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tengui wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:50 am
There was an in-depth article in March 2018 in the "Géomètre" magazine about this precise subject. Of course it only concerns french law, and you would have to read french, but still pretty interesting.

http://www.geometre-lemag.fr/magazines?y=2018
Could you post a pdf of the article. I think most of use have no subscription.
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I would love to tell you about what to scan and what not to scan, but I would have to kill you.
If you don't see that there is nothing, then you are kidding yourself.

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Never blurred or been asked to blur anyone or anything - but the client on almost all our jobs owns the buildings, pays the staffs wages in the offices/rooms in these buildings etc. None of the data is ever publicly available - always straight to the client.

landmeterbeuckx wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:25 am
I scan everything and don't bother with blurring faces as long as the client doesn't ask this.

I problalbly get flamed for this but we have to deal with so much hassle, i could blur everyone but who is gonna pay for it...
Client - oh you cant go in that room, its my personal space.... deliver model with no wall thickness and an entire room missing due to no access. We have missed the odd rooms on larger jobs due to keys missing/no one claiming ownership or use of the room. But usually unless the door is of some historical value the client arranges for it to be "opened" :lol:

Could you image the time on a larger job, 1000 scans, 1000 panos to either photo shop before going in to the point cloud... or if it was on Leica RTC/P40 having to then pay for Publisher Pro, export the panos, photo shop them then re-import. :roll:

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landmeterbeuckx wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:56 am
Could you post a pdf of the article. I think most of use have no subscription.
Here it is. See attachment.
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