Rhino - the right tool for the job?

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Rhino - the right tool for the job?

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Hello, i am an absolute novice in the world of point cloud data, so excuse me if my question seems out of place. Recently my employer had a laser scan of one of his industrial plants and gave me the task of making a 3d model from the inquired information. Since i have no clue about point cloud processing i thought that Rhino (my native software) would be the tool for me. The industrial plant in particular is an essential oil production facility made from a lot of pipes, distillation tanks, valves, pumps and so on. So do you think Rhino seems to be the tool, or would you suggest something else?
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If you feel at ease with Rhino give it a whirl for sure.
Check the Veesus plugin for Rhino, it's terrific at handling huge pointclouds.

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max72 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am If you feel at ease with Rhino give it a whirl for sure.
Check the Veesus plugin for Rhino, it's terrific at handling huge pointclouds.

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Thank you for the insight, i'll definitely give it a look.
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max72 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am If you feel at ease with Rhino give it a whirl for sure.
Check the Veesus plugin for Rhino, it's terrific at handling huge pointclouds.

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Hi max,

Can I use autodesk inventor or else?
I have to 3d modeling many pipe.
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Alex todd wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:56 am So do you think Rhino seems to be the tool, or would you suggest something else?
I would say it depends on the use case of the resulting model. What should the model be used for at a later point?
It has been years since I created a model in Rhino so maybe it changed but I remember it was more a 3D CAD modeling tool and the resulted model was more or less a 3D surface representation. Thats good for layout planning, clash detection and file exchange in case you don't want to share the heavy point cloud data etc.

When you look for some semantics to include in the model it might make sense to go with a specialized software where models can be created based on object catalogues. Then the models include meta-information such as type definition, material, performance classes,.. . This kind of model would allow you in addition to the mentioned above to make simulations and generate advanced views such as piping and instrumentation diagrams. Tools to mention here are AutoCAD Plant 3D, CADWorx, AVEVA E3D, Bentley Openplant Modeler, Autodesk Revit (to some extent) and many more.

You should also consider the expected deliverables next to the 3D Model and file formats. This might also weight into your decision.

I hope this helps at least a bit.
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juncheol wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:46 am
max72 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:25 am If you feel at ease with Rhino give it a whirl for sure.
Check the Veesus plugin for Rhino, it's terrific at handling huge pointclouds.

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Hi max,

Can I use autodesk inventor or else?
I have to 3d modeling many pipe.
I'm not sure Revit is the right tool for piping.

As stated there are tools that can semi automatically extract pipes from pointcloud and assign metadata, specific for this kind of task.
Only worry is there is a learning curve (steep usually). Starting a big project with a new tool might case trouble.

If you are proficient with Rhino and the models generated with Rhino are enough don't dismiss the option... There are some piping plugins for rhino too, I used in the past Rhino piping, but it's gone now.. I have no experience with the other Rhino piping plugins.

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Revit is more used for building HVAC, sprinkler piping, natural gas piping etc. As far as I know it does not have comprehensive piping specifications (like, say, ASME B31 refinery-style piping) with which you can convert extracted pipe centerlines to "intelligent" modelled piping.
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I'm not sure Revit is the right tool for piping.

As stated there are tools that can semi automatically extract pipes from pointcloud and assign metadata, specific for this kind of task.
Only worry is there is a learning curve (steep usually). Starting a big project with a new tool might case trouble.

If you are proficient with Rhino and the models generated with Rhino are enough don't dismiss the option... There are some piping plugins for rhino too, I used in the past Rhino piping, but it's gone now.. I have no experience with the other Rhino piping plugins.

Massimo
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Thank you for your answer.
I have to search the veesus you told
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Using the software you are used to working with would be the best way to go. Especially considering that Rhino is very powerful in working with point clouds and 3D modeling.

I have been involved in several similar projects before and the use of plug-ins for automatic pipe detection significantly boosted the work
For Revit there is a ScanToBim plugin that semi-automatically recognizes pipes and ventilation.

For Autocad, there is a good Lisp routine by -Denis Gorkovchuk

I'm sure there are similar plugins for Rhino, but I rarely work in it, so it's hard to suggest something.
In any case, Rhino supports imports from Autocad and Revit, so both plugins should work.
Also, if you want to send this work offshore, send me PM here on the forum or at [email protected]
Here are a couple of screenshots of my previous projects of industrial facilities
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