P-20 Vs Faro X330

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Mike,
Glad to hear you're working with surveyed targets. From a QA/QC aspect I stand by it as the best way of proving overall project accuracy, and after all we're doing dimensional control so that should be the most important factor. Nice colour images are very attractive and very useful, but without accurate measured data there it's useless.
You may also benefit from using measured reference points because it can highlight calibration problems which would otherwise go unnoticed.
I'm always curious to hear who uses colud-to-cloud registration, especially on large projects. My issue with cloud-to-cloud is that on the bigger projects you can propagate the errors scan after scan as you move further from the reference scan.
There are some good tools for registration without surveys, but I'd always advocate the use of targets whether surveyed or not.

Jed,
Good point on number of setups vs scan time.

Michael,
I have no input on the scanner hardware but alternatives to Leica's Cyclone/TrueView and FARO's Scene/Webshare can be found in the LFM products. The difference being is that LFM can import both FARO and Leica formats and also link and export to Autodesk products.
As always, the LFM BubbleViews (the domed images) are available throughout the product range too and are available as a SaaS, plugin free, with LFM NetView 4.0. This makes the BubbleViews usable for viewing, management and collaboration and maintains a link back to the source point cloud.

I know none of that answers your specific question, and I don't particularly like when topics get hijacked, but seeing as the topic started to mention registration software I thought I'd point out that there are more than 2 options available to you. More than 3 even!
The info is there FYI and I'll be happy to have a chat regarding our LFM products and how they are used beyond the initial data acquisition/registration and basic viewing.

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Martin

PS. 100 scans is not a large project ;)
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Here's my 2 cents,

I have no experience with the FARO. I can only list advantages from the P20.

P20 :

Great from scanning outside. I scanned in the worst weather with this scanner Wind, rain, vapours, dust, snow, hot and Cold. Result are almost terrific (except vapours and dust, which I clean using software like CloudCompare)

I've also used the scanner on platform that were vibrating due to machineries. Again clean scan results.

Price in on the High end and Cyclone register is indeed needed.

Contrary to other opinion I find Cylcone to be a great tools and seems to be more powerful for some needs than Faro Scene (from my limited experience with it)
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I'd take a Z&F 5010 series any day over either of these.

Much more reliable than a Faro and much smaller than the P20

The best all rounder in my opinion and much better data that either of these also....
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christopherbyrne18 wrote:I'd take a Z&F 5010 series any day over either of these.

Much more reliable than a Faro and much smaller than the P20

The best all rounder in my opinion and much better data that either of these also....
Seriously?

I have just been working with some 5010c data and it's among the noisiest data I have ever seen. Are there settings to reduce noise? maybe they were not used in this case.
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Although im basing this on the P40 rather than the P20 - i think its an excellent scanner, works in poor weather etc but we still need to use a Faro as it fits a lot more places than the Leica and the set up time is a lot quicker which is essential when working in tight spaces such as stairs in older buildings such as cathedrals etc (places we could almost not get the p40 case through!)

My personal preference is using the Leica and picking up the targets as i go and you can set up over a known point with the P40. Any data i capture with the Faro, i do almost all the registration in Scene then export it with colour as E57 file that i can open in Cyclone.

You should hire both scanners and survey your house over a weekend then take them to a job once you have seen how they both work. Have a good play about with both Scene and Cyclone and see how you get on.
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christopherbyrne18 wrote:I'd take a Z&F 5010 series any day over either of these.

Much more reliable than a Faro and much smaller than the P20

The best all rounder in my opinion and much better data that either of these also....

Agreed.
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jrbrown wrote:
christopherbyrne18 wrote:I'd take a Z&F 5010 series any day over either of these.

Much more reliable than a Faro and much smaller than the P20

The best all rounder in my opinion and much better data that either of these also....

Agreed.
I'm starting to think that you guys might have heavily invested in 5010 scanners?

Maybe there are settings I'm not aware of but I have a large amount of data from both scanners and the 5010c is looking pretty bad from my point of view. It's just the data I have maybe? and just what I see maybe?. I'm not trying to upset things here but I just don't agree at all at this point. I'm not a big fan of the P20 but I can tell you with absolute confidence that the data from a C10 or P20 will beat most other scanners when it comes to clean data. I haven't gotten into the P40 yet and to be honest it's one release to many for me.

Anyway, no offence meant to anyone - we all have a our favourites and I'm sticking with the C10 all the way.
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Matt Young wrote:
jrbrown wrote:
christopherbyrne18 wrote:I'd take a Z&F 5010 series any day over either of these.

Much more reliable than a Faro and much smaller than the P20

The best all rounder in my opinion and much better data that either of these also....

Agreed.
I'm starting to think that you guys might have heavily invested in 5010 scanners?

Maybe there are settings I'm not aware of but I have a large amount of data from both scanners and the 5010c is looking pretty bad from my point of view. It's just the data I have maybe? and just what I see maybe?. I'm not trying to upset things here but I just don't agree at all at this point. I'm not a big fan of the P20 but I can tell you with absolute confidence that the data from a C10 or P20 will beat most other scanners when it comes to clean data. I haven't gotten into the P40 yet and to be honest it's one release to many for me.

Anyway, no offence meant to anyone - we all have a our favourites and I'm sticking with the C10 all the way.
First off, no offense taken....secondly, yes we are heavily invested in the Z & F scanners. This has happened AFTER being heavily invested in LEICA and their 2400, 2500, 3000, SS1, SS2, C10 scanners. I've used the P20 as well and do think it's nice scanner, but not very practical in our "world".

Noise....I agree that the there is some noise in the 5010c's but nothing that would cause me to move to a different machine. I'm wondering if the scanner your data came from was current in it's calibration?

As I'm sure yours is, my opinion is based on a couple of years of using varying types of scanners in a couple of different environments and scenarios. For my money there is not a better scanner on the market than the 5010c.

And FWIW, I worked with a C10 just a couple of weeks ago.......I wanted to kill myself from having to deal with how slow that thing is! :P
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Yes, as I say, it might be limited to the data I have been given. I did a job the other day with a C10 and managed 40 scans. I know you would manage 100+ on a good day. It's horses for courses I guess and what we each prefer at the end of the day.

I haven't used a 5010 personally but I am sure I would make nice data with it if I did. It's mainly down to years of experience I think and how you use the equipment.
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mike annear wrote: This bit of advice is very important...
"Beware of pushy salespersons and Koolaid drinkers. If they appear rabid or foaming at the mouth... step away.... :lol: :lol: :lol: " ( David Dustin )
I knew somehow I'd get pulled into this :lol:
I will say I have done many large scans (100+) with our X330's without issue.
We do have pretty robust hardware...
A head to head test is the best advice I can give, then choose the one with the desired result.
A good distributor will assist during those times when there are issues with Faro support (it is improving in my opinion). I recommend our clients call us first, then if we don't have a solution we steer them to Customer Service, and assist there too.
I just sent 2 of our guys onsite with an agency a couple of days ago to help them with some technical issues and to check the accuracy of their scanner.
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