Hi all. I need help on picking a couple scanners. Id love opinion from those who have used and know

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Hey all, so I am new to the 3d scanning market but have spent the best of covid and .5 year researching everything I possibly could about all I can fit in the melon, and I'm an info binger. Plus, I've had a lot of web and in personal demos. Mostly handheld but some terrestrial and certainly drone, So now it's time to take said knowledge and purchase; I still don't feel right without asking those in the know; I'm not too proud to ask q's. Now I'm going to do a terrestrial, a handheld, and a UAV to gather all the data I need to create a 3d world or the like. Im sure ill have photogrammetry in there as well. Im on that like white on rice, but that's not for here.

For handhelds, it's been a pain, and a lot of reps don t seem to care if you buy from them or not. I've had probably five good meets out of close to 30. I like the Artec Leo, the Faro Freestyle, mantis, Zeb, etc. It looks like ill have a few. Oh, if anyone knows which is good at human hair, eyelashes, pores, and such, please pipe up. I want to make accurate human models I can rig and animate or use with mocap. So I have a great deal o bundle I procured with an excellent rep ( consisting of the faro 350 s plus the freestyle, their 2d blueprint maker trolly tripod, cases software, you name it. I was impressed with the demo and negotiating skills.

I like the faro a lot. I was surprised. Why I don't know, it makes photorealism which is what I want. now I'm also receiving a riegl VX400i and z+f 5016 to try out for three days. A sweet gig and I can't wait for looks as the reigl doesn't much have vertical. Like is it 100 or something? This is a big buy. I won't be unhappy with anything I get because I love this whole industry. It makes me excited and keeps me going strong. Such a multi-tool that with imagination can do anything..well scan related. The scanners are first for homeworld making real estate wise. No matterport point and teleport panorama. Blah (no offense matter port, you do great at what you do). I want free for all on an infideck. So anyhow, so sorry to ramble. It is late and hot, and I'm imbibed.

Apologies. Great way to introduce myself with my first post. Please don t judge as some do, but it will certainly shut me up. The question is which scanner of the Riegl, Z+F, Farro, or perhaps a third party. I meet with Trimble this week. If anyone had at least an opinion outside of "I'm an ass why do i waste your time" id be more than happy to hear. I want my first buy to hopefully keep that excitement going; mine, not my bankers, not diminish it. I've looked at so many! But this is too big to impulse buy so, please help. I hear many great things about the z+f 5016 and cant wait to side by side that with the VZ400i. But my Faro deal is coming to the point of doing or deals gone. Any information, opinion, or field case stories will help. Much appreciation in advance. Thank you for reading. Cheers and goodnight
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I would love to help but i get a headache from your text. Please use paragraphs ;-)
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Sounds like you had quite the experiences so far.
This will sound a bit philosophical but please bear with.
  • Our goal in life should be to be happy... everything we do or have to get there are means to an end. Happiness.
The same could be said for the tech we invest in. We need to be happy with the sum of the parts. The end goal.

Here's what I've got from you:
- Looking for a couple of scanners - do you need two scanners, or are picking between two models?
- "Photorealism" is what i want. To model people. well.. handheld scanners and high quality imagery seldom go hand in hand... also want a 3d world? can you expand on this a bit more for us?...

I am unclear on what your goal is, essentially. Sounds like for what you are trying to achieve, a combination of sensors is required. How are you delivering the end product to your client? is it a file? is it cloud based? does it work ok for you?...

Are you happy with the workflows as you've been shown? Simple enough?
How's the local support from whoever is selling to you? Knowledgeable, responsive and supportive? Sounds like the nature of your work will require a bit of post sales challenges, which is good, but different companies are equipped in different ways for this.

Lastly, I am curious to ask... you didn't mention Leica. Have you looked at them locally as well?
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SGAVC wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:43 am Hey all, so I am new to the 3d scanning market but have spent the best of covid and .5 year researching everything I possibly could about all I can fit in the melon, and I'm an info binger. Plus, I've had a lot of web and in personal demos. Mostly handheld but some terrestrial and certainly drone, So now it's time to take said knowledge and purchase; I still don't feel right without asking those in the know; I'm not too proud to ask q's. Now I'm going to do a terrestrial, a handheld, and a UAV to gather all the data I need to create a 3d world or the like. Im sure ill have photogrammetry in there as well. Im on that like white on rice, but that's not for here.

For handhelds, it's been a pain, and a lot of reps don t seem to care if you buy from them or not. I've had probably five good meets out of close to 30. I like the Artec Leo, the Faro Freestyle, mantis, Zeb, etc. It looks like ill have a few. Oh, if anyone knows which is good at human hair, eyelashes, pores, and such, please pipe up. I want to make accurate human models I can rig and animate or use with mocap. So I have a great deal o bundle I procured with an excellent rep ( consisting of the faro 350 s plus the freestyle, their 2d blueprint maker trolly tripod, cases software, you name it. I was impressed with the demo and negotiating skills.

I like the faro a lot. I was surprised. Why I don't know, it makes photorealism which is what I want. now I'm also receiving a riegl VX400i and z+f 5016 to try out for three days. A sweet gig and I can't wait for looks as the reigl doesn't much have vertical. Like is it 100 or something? This is a big buy. I won't be unhappy with anything I get because I love this whole industry. It makes me excited and keeps me going strong. Such a multi-tool that with imagination can do anything..well scan related. The scanners are first for homeworld making real estate wise. No matterport point and teleport panorama. Blah (no offense matter port, you do great at what you do). I want free for all on an infideck. So anyhow, so sorry to ramble. It is late and hot, and I'm imbibed.

Apologies. Great way to introduce myself with my first post. Please don t judge as some do, but it will certainly shut me up. The question is which scanner of the Riegl, Z+F, Farro, or perhaps a third party. I meet with Trimble this week. If anyone had at least an opinion outside of "I'm an ass why do i waste your time" id be more than happy to hear. I want my first buy to hopefully keep that excitement going; mine, not my bankers, not diminish it. I've looked at so many! But this is too big to impulse buy so, please help. I hear many great things about the z+f 5016 and cant wait to side by side that with the VZ400i. But my Faro deal is coming to the point of doing or deals gone. Any information, opinion, or field case stories will help. Much appreciation in advance. Thank you for reading. Cheers and goodnight
Vertical of the Riegl isn't a problem unless you do only MEP. I scan all without problems because a riegl is the fastest around and you can take a few positions more when other scanners are still at the first one.

if you want to do inside and out a riegl is the best bet. If only indoors maybe look at an rtc or something from faro.

I do all with my Riegl, indoors and outdoors, high rise, basements,...
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As you say Lieven. The vertical isn't a real problem. Actually some of the newer scanners with their extreme vertical just simply over densify the PointCloud in around the tiripod. Honestly if you want data below the tripod, there are so many ways, like a simple inverted scan even. Especially when you are scanning mostly buildings and plants, collecting all that data below the tripod just creates extra un needed mega bytes to manage. Or you need manually change the vertical scan angle in the scanner settings, so that it isn't even scanned.

Reigl is nice. Also Leica rocks it, as you can have a BLK360, RTC360, P50 plus a BLK2GO and even a Faro, and then register all that data inside of Cyclone. Reigl makes beautiful scanners. But Leica has the most diversity in their scanner fleet, and it all works inside of Cyclone.
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If you want to scan Humans in great detail down to eyelashes etc then none of the above scanners will do it.
Humans move. None of the scanners mentioned above will capture eyelashes, skin pores etc.
You need a "single shot" PHOTOGRAMMETRY based scanning system. Multi DSLR rig.
https://www.human-engine.com/
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Welcome to the forum SGAVC!

It's good to hear that you are ready to take the plunge into the 3D scanning world with some equipment purchases. It sounds like you have some big ideas moving forward and to implement all those will take some time and guidance.

As Mike has just mentioned, for the details you are hoping to get for human body scans, you will only achieve it with a photogrammetry rig. Handheld scanners are not as this level. I have extensive knowledge with the Mantis Visions systems and have used the others for testing purposes, all will be quick capture times but not sub-mil resolution that you are looking for. Big rigs with lots of cameras is the way to go, software such as reality capture will help you achieve the right results.

When it comes to terrestrial laser scanners it seems like you are open to the market which is a good place to start. Usually a budget restraint will guide people to what systems they can bring on board. I have used all the systems except the Reigl, which I believe could also be the most expensive. Like Lieven has mentioned, they are very fast at capturing data and have an impressive capture range. The Z+F 5016 Imager is a great scanner to be looking at, its has impressive accuracies and very low noise range which all works with on-site registration. It is perfectly suited for capturing of interior and exterior environments without having to size and weight of the Leica P series to lug around all day.

If you are going to be linking these systems into control networks setup by total stations that is great, larger areas should always be done this way. If not you should consider getting a scanner with a dual-axis compensator to ensure your data set is accurately level and producing reliable results. Some of the cheaper units (Faro/RTC360) have sensors that cannot truly level the device which will effect the overall registration results and resulting models.

Have you done your research into the software solutions you are going to use and what the end result is you are trying to achieve?
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