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There are definitely Leica Beta testers on this website. I admit I don't agree with everything Leica does, but they have continually pushed the development of all things scanning and as always, there is never a single tool to solve all the issues. Will I ever use 3D Touch, very unlikely, but someone will and will likely make their job easier in some capacity and may lead to some further advancement or tools that will transfer into software I do use, so I'm all for development etc.
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pburrows145 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:18 pm
andrewfoss01 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:12 pm Recently, Leica introduced a "3D Touch mode" for Cyclone 3DR....I'm not sure how the rest of you, but I feel that this is a useless feature that next to no-one will use. 3DR is a heavily dependent on fast hardware which comes in the form of a desktop computer. And Desktop don't usually come with touch screens. In any aspect, I only feel that 2%-3% of users will utilize this feature, and time and money spent to develop this feature should of been better spent on developing other features. Thoughts anyone?
Can I step in here...

The LSF is a place where people can support one another and work together. The strap-line of this thread is antagonistic and disrespectful to all those who have worked on the new functionality over the past few months. We would not have developed this solution without back-ground research, on a global level, to support the product/feature - such is the way Leica Geosystems operates. Before stating something is "useless", why not give it a try? Become armoured with the knowledge about what the solutions provides in terms of value, then make a judgment. The first "Touch mode" feature is something users have been after for a VERY long time: in-field BIM Inspection. I can't tell you how many people message me about this topic, and now we have the functionality to support. When you see the webinar, all the demo's were run on a pretty mid-level MS Surface - it's been heavily optimised to work on these devices and because you can borrow a license, you can still run the solution on a desktop for applications which require "heavy lifting" but now you have the flexibility to perform some tasks away from office too: it's win win. You can also switch back to full desktop mode on the tablet if you want to... we talk about this in the webinar also.

Just please think about the language used when posting. Perhaps Touch Mode is not for you... that does not mean it's "useless" to everyone else. Plus it does not require an additional purchase if you already have the AEC module or Pro license.

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It's not useless but being in the field when checking things when 10 people are breathing down the neck isn't always the best method. And the screen of a mobile device doesn't give all the data the right visual aspects.

My experience with bim in the field as i always work in geodetic coordinates that always there has to be calculated a rotation and translation and which point in the model is good? Is it this column, no, it's that one, ... A good solid procedure between designers and people in the field needs to be developed first. For starters all bim stuff should be easily loaded with giant coordinate systems. All want to design on flat x-axis but the buildings aren't placed that way...
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landmeterbeuckx wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:21 pmMy experience with bim in the field as i always work in geodetic coordinates that always there has to be calculated a rotation and translation and which point in the model is good? Is it this column, no, it's that one, ... A good solid procedure between designers and people in the field needs to be developed first. For starters all bim stuff should be easily loaded with giant coordinate systems. All want to design on flat x-axis but the buildings aren't placed that way...
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This is really a matter of the control used and how it is applied. Most of the current generation survey field controllers from the major vendors support IFC at this stage and it is becoming a major format for staking out buildings. This combines well with scanning for verification and validation purposes, which so far as I'm aware, is a major application for certain scanners designed for the vertical construction market. We're also starting to see IFC being used with AR to good effect, e.g. Trimble SiteVision. Where you have good control and QA in place, I could see verification scans with clash analysis being an extremely useful field tool for ongoing building verification.
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landmeterbeuckx wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:21 pm
pburrows145 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:18 pm
andrewfoss01 wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:12 pm Recently, Leica introduced a "3D Touch mode" for Cyclone 3DR....I'm not sure how the rest of you, but I feel that this is a useless feature that next to no-one will use. 3DR is a heavily dependent on fast hardware which comes in the form of a desktop computer. And Desktop don't usually come with touch screens. In any aspect, I only feel that 2%-3% of users will utilize this feature, and time and money spent to develop this feature should of been better spent on developing other features. Thoughts anyone?
Can I step in here...

The LSF is a place where people can support one another and work together. The strap-line of this thread is antagonistic and disrespectful to all those who have worked on the new functionality over the past few months. We would not have developed this solution without back-ground research, on a global level, to support the product/feature - such is the way Leica Geosystems operates. Before stating something is "useless", why not give it a try? Become armoured with the knowledge about what the solutions provides in terms of value, then make a judgment. The first "Touch mode" feature is something users have been after for a VERY long time: in-field BIM Inspection. I can't tell you how many people message me about this topic, and now we have the functionality to support. When you see the webinar, all the demo's were run on a pretty mid-level MS Surface - it's been heavily optimised to work on these devices and because you can borrow a license, you can still run the solution on a desktop for applications which require "heavy lifting" but now you have the flexibility to perform some tasks away from office too: it's win win. You can also switch back to full desktop mode on the tablet if you want to... we talk about this in the webinar also.

Just please think about the language used when posting. Perhaps Touch Mode is not for you... that does not mean it's "useless" to everyone else. Plus it does not require an additional purchase if you already have the AEC module or Pro license.

#BeKind
It's not useless but being in the field when checking things when 10 people are breathing down the neck isn't always the best method. And the screen of a mobile device doesn't give all the data the right visual aspects.

My experience with bim in the field as i always work in geodetic coordinates that always there has to be calculated a rotation and translation and which point in the model is good? Is it this column, no, it's that one, ... A good solid procedure between designers and people in the field needs to be developed first. For starters all bim stuff should be easily loaded with giant coordinate systems. All want to design on flat x-axis but the buildings aren't placed that way...
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Watch the webinar... :)
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smacl wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:42 pm
landmeterbeuckx wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:21 pmMy experience with bim in the field as i always work in geodetic coordinates that always there has to be calculated a rotation and translation and which point in the model is good? Is it this column, no, it's that one, ... A good solid procedure between designers and people in the field needs to be developed first. For starters all bim stuff should be easily loaded with giant coordinate systems. All want to design on flat x-axis but the buildings aren't placed that way...
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This is really a matter of the control used and how it is applied. Most of the current generation survey field controllers from the major vendors support IFC at this stage and it is becoming a major format for staking out buildings. This combines well with scanning for verification and validation purposes, which so far as I'm aware, is a major application for certain scanners designed for the vertical construction market. We're also starting to see IFC being used with AR to good effect, e.g. Trimble SiteVision. Where you have good control and QA in place, I could see verification scans with clash analysis being an extremely useful field tool for ongoing building verification.
Problem is they hardly ask me to go when starting from scratch, they contact me when construction starts and whenb all plans are made and they notice something doesn't fit. Engineers hate using our coordinates because their model turns and twists and they hate it.
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landmeterbeuckx wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:55 pmProblem is they hardly ask me to go when starting from scratch, they contact me when construction starts and whenb all plans are made and they notice something doesn't fit. Engineers hate using our coordinates because their model turns and twists and they hate it.
No reason you can't adopt whatever grid is on site once there once there is adequate control for scanning purposes. If you're arriving at a site for the purposes of construction verification, first thing you need to do if it hasn't already been done is to properly establish the design grid. This is an application where a scanning total station like the MS60, SX10 or GTL-1000 really shines. If you look at the GTL-1000 marketing bumf for example, it is sold specifically as a construction verification instrument.
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Edit - I take it back - deleted my comment
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smacl wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:00 pm
landmeterbeuckx wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:55 pmProblem is they hardly ask me to go when starting from scratch, they contact me when construction starts and whenb all plans are made and they notice something doesn't fit. Engineers hate using our coordinates because their model turns and twists and they hate it.
No reason you can't adopt whatever grid is on site once there once there is adequate control for scanning purposes. If you're arriving at a site for the purposes of construction verification, first thing you need to do if it hasn't already been done is to properly establish the design grid. This is an application where a scanning total station like the MS60, SX10 or GTL-1000 really shines. If you look at the GTL-1000 marketing bumf for example, it is sold specifically as a construction verification instrument.
I know Shane but not all think like me. Designers couldn't care less how all is staked out on site. Still a long, long way to go...
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landmeterbeuckx wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:57 amI know Shane but not all think like me. Designers couldn't care less how all is staked out on site. Still a long, long way to go...
Always been the way in my experience Leiven, surveyors have been the essential interface between design and reality since we starting designing for construction. Scanning specialists are now also taking on that role. It can be frustrating and rewarding in equal measure. In my opinion, this is why the technology is largely useless without the matching human expertise needed to fill this very essential role. Technological improvements can and will benefit us all but developed expertise is required to understand its strengths and weaknesses.
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Leandre Robitaille wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:59 am As much as I despise leica, some of the things they have done in this forum have been very constructive and apreciated.

They have much better overall support and community response that Faro does. We can't even request features and they have the most unhelpful responses on the forum (such as that...faro has as a trade secret about how c2c works)

....I mean excuse me Faro you have the worst c2c algorythm out there, nobody cares about your trade secret since your current solution is trash.

But Faro couldnt care less about me even if I spent over half a milion dollars on them.
Why despise anyone?

Again #bekind...

This forum is getting toxic... :(
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